Chad 2020-10-07 23:5565.95.190.23

The Gospels are marketing a particular derivative from an ancient Jewish myth. Listen to what is said and respond accordingly if there is indeed a need to respond at all. We are free to choose to believe whatever we want. I suggest that we should not feel pressured or obligated to believe anything that we don't feel reflects who we are or things we cannot support. Having said that, I find there is a lot in the NT that is worthwhile and therefore worth considering.  

Lou 2020-10-25 10:0976.69.22.147

Taken from today's sermon:

The only people who can reach out to Christ are the ones who have tried to do everything by themselves, and now see that there are some things they cannot do alone.
The people who really pray are the ones who understand their real need.
Jesus calls us to be his disciples, and then he sets the bar very high. “Redefine your understanding of fairness! Be ready for the invitation! Discern what belongs to Caesar and God. Love the Lord and your neighbor with every ounce of strength that you have.”
And when you reach the point of saying “I can’t do this on my own, I need your help,” you have reached the place where authentic discipleship begins - the place of helplessness, that causes you to reach out of the Divine Helper.
Jesus never promised to take away every overwhelming challenge. He DID promise that if we follow him, he will show us how to become more and more like him. He himself loved the Living God with his whole heart. He loved every human being that way. If we follow him, he will show us how to do the same, step by step.

Lou 2020-10-26 19:2276.69.22.147

How can 'I can't do it on my own so I need help from a greater source' be considered a myth?
Many saints including Paul have said that they can't help themselves doing wrong without the help of Gog. How can that be a myth?
What is this thing you have about myth? Is it just to get at Gary's goat?
Wouldn't be more interesting to look at why we seem to be unable to do the good we want to do and do wrong instead?
That applies to the mundane as well as to sin like out of the blue missing a step in a daily routine. It seems that we must have a balance of right and wrong.

You did not listen to the sermon in question so how can you tell that it is talking about a myth? It would be nice to know what you think about what he said. It would be nice to know what Gary thinks about what the preacher said. 'Watch Last Week Sermon' is where you'll the sermon in question.

 

Gary 2020-10-29 09:3299.248.171.42

Just to be clear which sermon am I listening too, name date and preacher?

Lou -10-29 14:2376.69.22.147

Those are excellent sermons lasting about 15 minutes. I watch them every week. 

November 5, 2017

A50: The Twenty-Second Sunday after Pentecost, Year A (All Saints’ Sunday) (2017)

And in the lower-left corner WATCH LAST WEEKS SERMON You get to:

October 25, 2020

A48: The Twenty-First Sunday after Pentecost, Year A (2020)

Lou 10-29 14:3976.69.22.147

If you are asking which one I would like you to listen to it is every one of them.
They are excellent preachers, almost always on the Gospel of the day, inspiring, and short. 

Lou 10-29 14:4176.69.22.147

If you are asking which one I would like you to listen to it is every one of them.
They are excellent preachers, almost always on the Gospel of the day, inspiring, and short. 

Clicking on 'Watch Last Week Sermon' two posts back will get you there.

Gary 10-30 21:4199.248.171.42

I guess I don't have the time you have Lou to sit and watch sermons for hours on end.  Most sermon's nowdays are just repitition of previous sermon's.  We already know the story.

On a gentler note, I am enjoying the book by Curry, but again how many books are out there on Love, only so many ways of portraying what love is.

 

 

Chad 10-31 10:1767.70.111.199

It's not what's inside the book that counts that includes the Bible. It isn't what is said in a sermon that is important. What is of primary importance is who we are and how we receive and respond to them. I agree Gary if you are not getting anything from sermons don't listen to the sermons. If you are just reading the words of a book and they are not affecting you stop wasting your time. If the church is a task or a boring routine don't go or watch remotely. Like Bishop Curry said none of that is important. What we do with our life is.

Chad 10-31 10:3567.70.111.199

Gary, Why do people attend church? Why do they read religious books? I think you will agree that they are totally unnecessary and maybe even a burden. You can just walk away from it all and no one will miss you and you will save a little money as well.

Gary 10-31 16:4499.248.171.42

Wrong, church is neccesary to strenghten our bond with other believers.  As you or Lou said even Jesus attended church or equivalent.  Sorry to say you seem to have some against loving Christians.  I am slowly pulling away from these discussion and that will leave only you and Lou and the Black Material.

 

 

Gary 11-02 19:5799.248.171.42

OK

Gary 11-05 11:3499.248.171.42

We can't all be right, but we could all be wrong!

Chad 11-05 13:0567.70.111.199

Good point Gary.

 

Chad 11-06 11:2267.70.111.199

It's our values and principles that matter not how others perceive us. 

Lou 11-07 18:4470.30.28.131

On John 16:1-4

sn In Johannine thought the verb σκανδαλ?ζω (skandaliz?) means to trip up disciples and cause them to fall away from Jesus’ company (). Similar usage is found in Didache 16:5, an early Christian writing from around the beginning of the 2nd century a.d. An example of a disciple who falls away is Judas Iscariot. Here and again in 16:4 Jesus gives the purpose for his telling the disciples about coming persecution: He informs them so that when it happens, the disciples will not fall away, which in this context would refer to the confusion and doubt which they would certainly experience when such persecution began. There may have been a tendency for the disciples to expect immediately after Jesus’ victory over death the institution of the messianic kingdom, particularly in light of the turn of events recorded in the early chapters of Acts. Jesus here forestalls such disillusionment for the disciples by letting them know in advance that they will face persecution and even martyrdom as they seek to carry on his mission in the world after his departure. This material has parallels in the Olivet Discourse (Matt 24-25) and the synoptic parallels.

tn Grk “so that you will not be caused to stumble.”

Lou 11-08 11:1470.30.28.131

Taken from today's sermon on  Matthew 25:1-13:

unless we live for God by living for others, what we do in church doesn’t matter at all.

God expects worship to inspire us to create the community God had in mind when God created humanity and called us into life together, the community Jesus taught about in parables and sermons, what he called the kingdom of God. God expects that kingdom to be filled with people whose worship inspires them to be conduits of the mighty waters of justice and righteousness, to live the faith that we profess, to live for God by living for others.

Chad 11-08 12:0667.70.111.199

Paraphrasing Matthew, we have been given the tools and we know what is needed let's be thankful for that and put those tools to work. Maybe we can realize a little bit of Heaven on Earth.  

Lou 11-10 08:2070.30.28.131

In John 16:16-22 Jesus is giving his disciples a heads-up on what he knows will soon happen to him and he, probably, refers to this he post-resurrection appearances to offer some comfort.

Lou 11-11 18:1970.30.28.131

John 16:29-33 Did they really get it!
sn How is the disciples’ reply to Jesus now you are speaking plainly and not in obscure figures of speech to be understood? Their claim to understand seems a bit impulsive. It is difficult to believe that the disciples have really understood the full implications of Jesus’ words, although it is true that he spoke to them plainly and not figuratively in 16:26-28. The disciples will not fully understand all that Jesus has said to them until after his resurrection when the Holy Spirit will give them insight and understanding (16:13).

Chad 11-12 13:1167.70.111.199

Any doubt about how the disciples are reacting is created by John's creative writing. For some reason, there is a reluctance to give him credit where credit is due. However, first, we must read it as intended one word after another in sequence. Just like you need to appreciate the art before giving the artist credit.  

Lou 11-12 18:0070.30.28.131

In my view, what we need to take from John 16:29-33 is what the commentator I quoted two posts back. I have said many times that they did not get it until Pentecost.

Chad 11-12 20:2867.70.111.199

I agree, the narrative unravels as John intends. 

Lou 11-12 20:4670.30.28.131

Chapter 17 calls for deep study so I added comments from my source (bible.org) and would welcome more comments yours or from sources( links for voluminous comments).

17:1-11 is just a start it gets deeper.

Gary 11-13 11:0399.248.171.42

Jesus predicted that a disciple would betray him, but the disciples did not understand this seemingly plain statement. They just stared at one another (John 13:21-22). He predicted his death, and they did not understand (verses 36-37). They were filled with grief, but did not ask him what he meant (John 16:5-6).

I guess I agree, it wasn't until the Holy Ghost shone some light on them that the lightbulb turned on.

Lou 11-13 11:2070.30.28.131

If a group of people who spent a few years with him didn't understand hin what chance do we have!

Gary 11-13 11:4799.248.171.42

Lots, we have the Helper, we can look back and see where they went wrong, and most important, we can talk directly to Jesus through prayer.

If you were locked in a jail cell for life with nothing but the Bible, think of how well we would know Jesus by the time we got out.  We wouldn't have distractions of well meaning preachers or the thousands of book telling you what their version of the truth is.  Only my humble opinion, but I'm right!

 

Gary 11-13 11:4799.248.171.42

Miss spell check, I see you do to Lou?

Gary 11-13 17:3599.248.171.42

And Hun was an ancient tribe of Mongrals

Chad 11-14 11:5767.70.111.199

I think that we must see it from the eyes of humanity. The Bible is not about God or the Trinity. It is the human story from our beginning to our end. 

The guy in the prison with only the Bible and if knows how to read has the possibility of finding out more about himself and his society than he does about who Christ was as a person.

Lou 11-15 10:4570.30.28.131

Today's sermons are about the parable of the Talents from Matthew 25:14-30.

God has given us all that we are and all our talents and not putting them to use will keep us from salvation.
We are to live and work unselfishly to the glory of God, and for the benefit of others; to be a Good Samaritan.

Gary 11-15 11:1299.248.171.42

I think we have to branch out, how many times have we heard sermons on the Parables, for me it has been over 60 years, open up the Bible to more than the Gospels.

Lou 11-15 11:3370.30.28.131

"I think we have to branch out"? The Lectionary selects Matthew 25:14-30  eve three years and all the major denominations follow the Lectionary so if you want to branch out you are on your own. All three preachers today came up with a slightly different angle.

Chad 11-15 15:2267.70.111.199

So if you are given the saying and teachings of Christ, make the most of them. Don't use it just for personal or selfish justification. Spead the Joy and the Good News so it will have a multiplying effect.  

Gary when we stray slightly from the Gospels you say we are not sticking to the word and when we use the lectionary you say are you bored with it.

 

Gary branch out in any way you like. I'm, game.  Lou maybe if it isn't too much work maybe you could create a section for Gary's Thoughts.

Lou 11-16 15:1670.30.28.131

Jesus' prayer in John 17:20-26 is 'that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.'

From day one, we started splitting instead of uniting.

Lou 11-18 09:0670.30.28.131

Each one of us is called to be the faithful and wise servant and have been given the charge of taking care of everyone we come in contact with family, friends, neighbors, enemies, and the environment. We can and we do use and even abuse them at our own peril. The day will come when we'll find ourselves either sheep or goats not according to how we labeled ourselves but how we behaved.
That is what Jesus spent three years telling us and this serves as an answer to a post in Rants.

Gary 11-18 09:3499.248.171.42

We as sheep have gone astray, as sheep we are to act as Christians, let the goats see our example and join the flock.  Ihad a pet goat once, they are not easily led.  For the most part Lou I agree with your post here. Do any of us do all what you are saying here, I doubt it.  But it looks good in print.

 

Lou 11-18 10:5070.30.28.131

My point is not that we have gone astray, we have, but that we are called to have faith in the lord and show that faith by taking care of everyone we come in contact with family, friends, neighbors, enemies, and the environment. We are not called to believe in any dogma but to use the teaching of our religion to bring us to Christ and to bring others to Christ by showering them with love ala Mother Teresa. We don't have to go that far, we don,t have to do all, but we have to do our little bit especially when asked.

Chad 11-18 14:5467.70.111.199

We are all humans there are no goats and sheep. The goats and sheep are a metaphor for us and them. There is no us and them. I am responsible for my own actions as you are. Calling myself a sheep or a goat is irrelevant to my actions. If anyone is to be judged by God let it be me. 

Gary 11-18 16:2099.248.171.42

Sheep make it, goats don't!

Lou 11-18 18:0270.30.28.131

It feels like both of you are missing what I'm referring to. The parable of The Sheep and the Goats is only one of the many places where Jesus tells us what will lead us to salvation.
It is not about sheep or goats but about what we need to do to be saved. What we believe in doesn't matter, Jews, Samaritans,  Romans, etc all are welcome all that is needed is having faith in the Son of God and doing what that faith moves us to do; if we are not moved we are short of the real thing. Intellectual faith doesn't cut it " not everyone who says, Lord, Lord will make it but the ones who obey the will of the Lord."

It's not the sheep that make it but the ones who Love the Lord totally and their neighbor as their own self their neighbors being the whole world.

Gary 11-18 18:4999.248.171.42

Lou in your opinion who is the Lord, is he Jesus or the Father?

Lou 11-19 10:4870.30.28.131

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

In contemporary language.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 
35 For I was a refugee and took me in, I was in need of a wedding cake and you sold me one, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 
42 For I was in need and you built walls to keep me out, you punished your neighbors for their sins.

Lou 11-22 10:3170.30.28.131

Today's sermon is about Matthew 25:31-46. The preacher says that this parable the last parable in Matthew and that it is a summary of the whole teaching of Jesus's ministry Matthew is putting into this parable the climax of His teaching for Matthew this is is the most important parable of all.

This parable doesn't say anything about confessing your sins, about repenting, about asking for forgiveness, about believing in Jesus, about a profession of faith.

Lou 11-22 10:3870.30.28.131

Today's sermon is about Matthew 25:31-46. The preacher says that this parable the last parable in Matthew and that it is a summary of the whole teaching of Jesus's ministry Matthew is putting into this parable the climax of His teaching for Matthew this is is the most important parable of all.

This parable doesn't say anything about confessing your sins, about repenting, about asking for forgiveness, about believing in Jesus, about a profession of faith.

The gospel of John says that we are saved by believing in Jesus but what does believing in Jesus mean; this parable tells us what it means.it means being loyal to Jesus, it means doing what Jesus would do.

Gary 11-22 15:3399.248.171.42

"this parable tells us what it means.it means being loyal to Jesus, it means doing what Jesus would do."

Agreed Lou, but who are the loyal followers of Jesus today, well I will tell you, Christians.  Can a person who does all these thing, feed the hungry, water for the thirsty, look after the sick and the poor, etc. Can these people inherit the Kingdom if they don't know Jesus, athiest's can do all these things but would have no part in Jesus or God the Father?

Lou 11-22 16:1070.30.28.131

Please quote the verse in the Gospels where Jesus said that. 

Lou 11-22 19:1770.30.28.131

Sermon for Sunday November 22nd

Gary 11-22 19:3899.248.171.42

You said it Lou down below, I am just asking a question.

Lou 11-22 20:2870.30.28.131

Throughout the Gospels, the only thing that Jesus says is needed is doing the will of God which he repeatedly tells us is service to others. Nowhere does He ask anybody to believe anything. Your faith has made you well is as far as He goes in that direction. It is not that feeding the poor buy a ticket to heaven but that you are moved to do that if you have really accepted/surrendered to God in the person of Jesus if that is your background but, as I said before, we do not have exclusive rights to God. In order to serve others as asked for by Matt 25:31-46, we have to know the Son of God in the person of Jesus but others can know the Son of God in the manner that God decided to show Himself to them and who do you think you are to decide that they are lost!

Lou 11-22 21:3370.30.28.131

Gary, I am trying to make my position very clear.

We need to accept Christ as our savior not only intellectually, saying Lord, Lord, but absolutely and if we do results will follow (James tells us) as a willingness to let go of selfishness and work for the welfare of all. To see God in everyone in need. To see God in the refugees at the southern border and try to find a way to help instead of throwing the law book at them.

Then we have to let everybody else accept God in their own way without saying that they are lost and trying to convert them. We are not to deny the Kingdom of God to them.

Chad 11-23 00:1167.70.111.199

Lou, you should know by now that you can not have any effect on Gary. I'll leave it at that. 

Gary 11-23 07:0799.248.171.42

Okay Lou I get, we should not tell the lost they are lost, it is up to them to blindly find their god or God.  Very clear Lou.

And thanks for your kind words Chad.

Lou 11-23 08:4370.30.28.131

Thoughts on 2 Timothy 2:8-13 mean dying to our selfish greed and dedicating our lives in the service of others in a poor imitation of what Jesus did for us culminating in his death and resurrection. Some can go all the way (Mother Teresa and others) but most of us can't do much more than help in our immediate circle, give to charity, and try to influence our leaders to care for people and the environment.

Gary 11-23 10:5399.248.171.42

I'll go with the warning in verse 13.  We all know we should help all those in need, but He does mention faithfullness in the same breath.  By helping with the enviroment now we help many, many people.  Jesus said we will always have the poor with us so Lou how do you chose those to help?

Chad 11-23 13:4367.70.111.199

I just wanted to move the conversation on, Gary. It was just a nudge, not a criticism. Gary, most untrained Christians are certain of too much ( they believe their beliefs have something to do with knowledge or wisdom). No thought is required and intelligence is scoffed at. So these incompetent evangelists will lead others to oblivion or maybe even Hell. They are unaware that they are not capable leaders but they certainly perceive themselves as loftier than mere followers. They should admit this and leave others alone but of course, they don't have the wherewithal to realize this. They're a sad lot, wouldn't you agree. 

Help whoever you can whenever you can.

Lou 11-23 14:0270.30.28.131

The most obvious target is the ones who ask without being concerned about whether they are worthy or no then everybody and everything within reach.

Help whoever you can whenever you can.

Chad 11-24 11:2667.70.111.199

How do you find someone that is lost?

Lou 11-26 08:4170.30.28.131

Elsewhere Jesus says that the Pharisees teaching should be followed but not their examples. 

Chad 11-26 13:1267.70.111.199

Lou, in your example who would you say, is lost? Is it the Pharisees who have lost the intention and therefore the interpretation and application of the law? Is it their followers who only know the corrupted version of the law that the Pharisees manifest? Or is there something else afoot? 

Lou 11-26 13:5070.30.28.131

Who am i to make a comment on who is lost!
It seems to me that, in the gospels, the Pharisees have been made to appear much worse than they really were probably to place the blame on them rather than on the Romans for Jesus's crucifixion. Weren't they were simply following the Law to the letter as it has always been happening.
I don't think they were following a corrupted version of the law but they were not using compassion in its application plus still enforcing laws that had become no longer necessary.

Lou 11-26 19:1670.30.28.131

I meant to add: since I don't believe that anyone is lost. He leaves His 99 to go after the 1, doesn't He?

Chad 11-26 23:3667.70.111.199

1 st rule of counseling is; You can help anyone that doesn't want your help. A counselor acts as a catalyst to help the person find their own road whatever that may be.

The Pharisees were used as an example that we as consumers of the Gospel can use for comparison and Christ's advice to us.

I think you are right no one is lost. If they are truly lost then Christ will find them.

Chad 11-28 12:1467.70.111.199

You have a problem with your ego when you feel everyone else is lost.

Lou 11-29 09:2770.30.28.131

The Gospel reading for Sunday, Nov 29th Mark 13:24-37
Rev. Courtney Allen Crump reminds us that the narrative in Mark is apocalyptic. The intent is not to prepare us for the rapture, but “to bring hope to desperate people and to focus expectations on the revelation of God in the here and now.”

Lou 11-29 09:3170.30.28.131

God is on the loose in the world. The best ever sermon.

Chad 11-29 12:0567.70.111.199

Rev. Courtney Allen Crump's dramatic sermon reflects the apocalyptic nature of Mark 13:24-37. It brought to mind the idea that God's energy and presence permeate the Universe and that humans are the conduit and expression of that presence. Some are tuned in to that frequency more than others. Those that are in tune can have an effect. The intent is not to prepare for the rapture, but “to bring hope to desperate people and to focus expectations on the revelation of God in the here and now.” Because only God knows the future we need to act in the present.

Advent Credo

It is not true that creation and the human family are doomed to destruction and loss—
This is true: For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life;It is not true that we must accept inhumanity and discrimination, hunger and poverty, death and destruction—
This is true: I have come that they may have life, a
nd that abundantly. It is not true that violence and hatred should have the last word, and that war and destruction rule forever—
This is true: Unto us, a child is born, unto us, a Son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, his name shall be called wonderful councilor, mighty God, the Everlasting, the Prince of peace.

It is not true that we are simply victims of the powers of evil who seek to rule the world—
This is true: To me is given authority in heaven and on earth, and lo I am with you, even until the end of the world.

It is not true that we have to wait for those who are specially gifted, who are the prophets of the Church before we can be peacemakers—
This is true: I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall have dreams.

It is not true that our hopes for liberation of humankind, of justice, of human dignity of peace, are not meant for this earth and for this history—
This is true: The hour comes, and it is now, that the true worshipers shall worship God in spirit and in truth.

So let us enter Advent in hope, even hope against hope. Let us see visions of love and peace and justice. Let us affirm with humility, with joy, with faith, with courage: Jesus Christ—the life of the world.

Allan Boesak